Gilgamesh appeared as a villain in the anime Fate Stay Night. Many might hate him for ruining or attempting to ruin the life of the protagonists. However in my case, I hated the main guy protagonist, Shirou. I don’t like him and I don’t think he deserves Saber and Saber’s love. This post is about Gilgamesh and Saber but before I proceed, let me first explain why I hate Shirou so much.
I have three reasons. First of all, the way he stops Saber from fighting and telling her things like she’s a girl and it’s not right for a girl to fight is very insulting in my opinion. Girls and Boys are supposed to be treated equally, and what he’s doing is absolutely gender discrimination, and to think that he’s a very very very very very very very weak. How would he survive or rather, how would Saber survive if she relies on him?? Second, his idealistic thinking of SAVING EVERYONE, duh! And I mean DUH!! How can he save everyone when he cannot even save his own self!? Saying stupid things like “
me call “lame, useless, boring, etc.”, he’s a very arrogant person, thinking that he can save everyone and he’s so not good looking. Saber doesn’t deserve someone like him. *pants* Sorry to SaberxShirou fans, this is just my personal opinion anyway, I’m really sorry for the rants.
Ok, now why do I like the pair Saber and Gilgamesh? This pairing is actually not just based on looks, in all honesty. I didn’t think Gilgamesh was handsome on his first appearances, I mean compared to my dear Archer. The thing that struck me the most is his dedication to making Saber his. Ok, before you tell me that he’s not a gentleman, he doesn’t respect women or he’s very selfish, hear my reason XD. Gilgamesh is as he explained—the first hero. He is the King who had everything, that explains the infinite number of weapons he has on hand. The reason of the way he forces
Saber to be his could be because of this detail. He is used to having everything that he desires on his grasp and he probably didn’t know how to express his feeling well that’s why he had assumed violence. Even though he practically stabbed Saber a couple of times, fought her with all his might, he didn’t want her to die or disappear. Remember when he said he wouldn’t kill Shirou because if he dies, Saber will also disappear. He is also well aware that Saber is a powerful servant and a King. He did not underestimate her, unlike a certain someone who talks big for someone so weak. Also, notice that he was actually happy when he was fighting Saber. I’d say, her very presence makes him happy. As I
have mentioned, he just doesn’t know how to express himself well. But it’s obvious that he really likes Saber, I’d even say he loves her. I love it when he tells others not to touch Saber because she is his. And when he mentioned something like “As expected from the girl I laid my eyes on” or something like that. One more thing, on the last episode, when Saber won, he touched her face before he disappeared and said that he forgave her. That he’s not angry because he lost to her. He was actually smiling, perhaps happy that the one who won against him is the woman he loves.
Gilgamesh and Saber is the best pair in Fate Stay Night in my opinion. And if only, IF ONLY Shirou wasn’t in the picture and Saber had said yes to the proposal he made (and I mean the wedding proposal where in he mentioned something like “Let’s get engaged while you’re still sane”) Things could have turned out beautifully. Don’t get me wrong, the ending of Fate is nice, but it could have turned out much better.
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I Totaly agree to that!!!!! ok so now im officially Gilgamesh-Saber fanatic..though Gilgamesh is mine.. i would have loved to see Gilgamesh and Saber end up together..^_^ and yes, i hated Shirou too!!! He isn't the type of main character I would prefered, not now..not in my lifetime!!!!
LOL!! Great post ^_~
you're right! Shirou is so below the other characters. Why did he have to be the main guy? That selfish, arrogant jerk...
Sorry, got carried away :D btw, thank you so much for the comment :d
THANK YOU.Your rant pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say about the Saber/Gilgamesh pairing AND about Shirou. Only thing is that I thought Gilgamesh looked GREAT in the scene just before he disappeared with his hair down. XD
You are so right!!! He looks very good with his hair down.
Thanks for the comment :D
lol Shirou isn't that weak. If you played Unlimited Blade Works, then your opinion of him might be a little different.
I like Saber-Gil more than Saber-Shirou.I know the game.That Shirou actually love the others girls-Rin and Sakura-in Unlimited Blades Works and Heaven Feel. But Gil alway love Saber in all 3 routes. He's ways better than Shirou !!!
HHAHHAHAH FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME......
The first time I saw shirou..i was like...WTHELL....buti saw him on animax and boy did he look so gay.
I actually hated Shirou, I didn't like him from the start. I could remember ranting to my brother how he and Saber is not meant to be.
When I saw Gilgamesh I said..THAT's THE MAN Ive been talking ABOUT!!!!
GOD I loved you post, you are sweet Awesome!
Thanks!! I'm happy to know that there are people like me who hates the saberxshirou pairing. :) Love the comments :D Thanks guys
lol i did hate shirou`s over the top attitude xD geez learn to fight first xD but he does have potential xD he does become the o so fantastic archer :P
Look people, Saber REJECTED Gilgamesh which means she DOESN'T like him, and she confessed her love to him already so get over it.
*ehm confessed her love to Shirou 8D
Umm...You do know that Archer's the adult version of Shirou right? It's not like I really support Saber and Gilgamesh or Shirour and saber, but looks aren't everything you know. Besides, if you're saying that it's stupid that Shirou's always trying to save people, then you're basically saying that Saber's stupid too. Avalon wasn't the only reason that Shirou could summon Saber. They are both alike. During her life as king, Saber thought only to protect her people and nothing else. The anime version sucks compared to the visual novel anyways, and they made Shirou's head too big in the anime version lol. The thing that annoys me the most is when people don't even know what they're talking about, and they start complaining about things. Play the visual novel, before you say anymore. Besides, in Unlimited Blade Works, Shirou owned Gilgamesh. (Cut his arm off) I'm joking, he seriously did! lol and, I know that I shouldn't make a big fuss over this whole thing, (Though you're doing it right now, so I guess it doesn't matter.) but do you really want to do that Saber? Just like Gia said, she rejected him. Besides, do you really think that she would get along with Gilgamesh? Just think of what a disaster it would be, because if you honestly think that they're going to get along, then the Gilgamesh and Saber in your mind must have a completely different personality.
i think that saber and gilgamesh macke a verry good couple, and i kould kick shiros as, and he isno goodfore saber, but gilgamesh is a king like her. and i think its realy sweet that gilgamesh was trying so hard to gether to merry him, and ceep her with him.
ling live the Kings!!!!
well, I AGREE that Shirou is discriminating a gender or what he's doing is gender descrimination. I agree, understand & respect your point of view. But if you'll turn on the other way around, SHIROU IS JUST SHOWING his "GENTLEMAN" side. *smiles* or to put it simply, Shirou is being a gentleman. :D
I don't care about the pairings actually. If Saber wants Shirou, then FINE. Same case on the GilgameshXSaber pairing. As long as Saber is happy then it's fine with me. *smiles*
But on my opinion, SaberXGilgamesh isn't a bad pairing at all. Actually I blushed on the last episode, where Gilgamesh touched Saber's face. But 'ANONYMOUS' was right. IT WOULD BE A DISASTER if Saber will end up with Gilgamesh. SHE CLEARLY REJECTED GILGAMESH (ouch! it hurts on Gilgamesh's side. or maybe IF I WERE GILGAMESH.) I think if Saber loves Shirou, then Saber should end up with Shirou. BUT, I HATE SHIROU on the 1st few episodes of the anime. BUT WHEN I KNEW ARCHER was the future SHIROU, it seems like I am impressed w/ SHIROU (ARCHER IS SOOO COOL!). And "anonymous" was right, Shirou isn't that weak. He has some guts & potentials. But Shirou wasn't that handsome & Shirou wasn not my "IDEAL HEROINE".
speaking of BTW, I AGREE TO THOSE PEOPLE who said that, GILGAMESH WAS HANDSOME WHEN HIS HAIR WAS DOWN! SO COOL, HANDSOME & HOT!
one last thing, Pipan P, nice explanations about the SaberXGilgamesh pairing. I AM PRETTY CONVINCED. *round of applause*
well... that's my opinions & thoughts.
NOTE: NO OFFENSE MEANT, it was just my opinions :)
I hate Shiro.If he don't appear in Fate/Stay Night I'll be very happy .He is too weak and can't protect Saber.When Saber like Shiro I have a big ? ,shiro is a coward why Saber loves him.(very sorry to Shiro's Fans)Gilgamesh is much handsome than him!!!I hope gilgamesh will be with Saber.sob...
negga's you all crazy, gilgamesh can suck my dick. she's fucking ugli. j'ai juste envie d'claker sa face. GOD DAMMM!! NEGGA'S PEAPLE'S CRAZY
I LOVE THIS PAIRING! i mean, at first i liked Saber with Assassin, but then when i saw Gilgamesh with his hair down, smiling, whispering to Saber before he dies, omg! im totally in love with this pairing!i never liked Shirou with Saber. Shirou stays better with Sakura or Rin.
yupp, definitely agree with you. i was one of the few who realize shirou isnt good enough for saber, and it was really sad that saber didnt realize gil loved her so much. i really didnt see gil was a villain, i dont think he was trying to oppose the protagonist. i only see him as a person, a man, who looking and pursuing his love. and further more i think gil participate the holy grail war was because he simply wants to meet saber. i wish the ending was better, like saber finally realize gil loved her so much, and they became a pair of happily ever after.
Gilgamesh / Saber Forever!!!!!!!!!
o.o well. I completely agree and disagree with nearly all your comments. :3
first thing is Gilgamesh does look indeed handsome with his hair down and smiling, regardless of blood! xD
Secondly, I do think Saber would be happier with Shirou and she admits her love to him and she often thought about him and just as another comment says, the two arent that different, they want to save people.
Gilgamesh and Saber could be a nice couple in peoples dreams. xD They really realistically wouldnt end up together but its a nice thought for Saber-Gilgamesh fans.
Overall I just think its okay whoever she chose because.. well. Its an anime show. They're not real. but its a lovely idea. xD
peace.
I can understand the part about gender discrimination but everything else no just no. I mean you can't just say someone is stupid for what they belive in. Then the part about looks/character Thats just an opinion of what you think but look at it in another point of view like Saber's. Their ideals are similair on how they want to help others so they would get along better. Then for looks most of you go aww over the part where Gilgamesh lets his hair down. Looks are not everything, I mean look how he treats Saber like am object. Then the part where Shirou is weak. Yes he is weak but at least he is trying his best to do what he thinks is right. Thats alot more than some would do. Saber also said she was his sword, that means she protects him(strange yes but the difference between powers is obvious).And how is he an arrogant selfish jerk?
Arrogant maybe on the parts where his ideal gets overboard a bit but selfish jerk? He risks his life for others and he's selfish? how does that work? The parts where Gilgamesh loves Saber is wrong in my opinion. His love seems more like lust to me. I mean look at how he pursues Saber even though she keeps saying no. If it was just a couple of times yes but everytime they met he said "Saber belongs to me!" that got old real fast. Also if someone stabbed you a couple times would you say that it was an accident and that they didn't know how they should express themselves. I know i wouldn't.Then he rants on about things he would do to her (not in a good way)and would you want to be her? Phew there I'm done sorry about the rant but it gets annoying on how people make judgement calls on some things (myself included).
To the guy said that "Just think of what a disaster it would be" well actually you got that all wrong, you see if you remember on the anime version of fate stay night of what gilgamesh said on saber that all thanks to her, that during on the previous grail war or on the fourth holy grail war when saber uses excalibur on the HG or Holy Grail and when the holy grail was cutted in half, all of its evil content had spilled on gilgamesh, losing his sanity as an epic hero. At the time on the fifth holy grail war both of them meet each other again for the so called "re-uniting" union to be made, and of course if you remember of what gilgamesh said on saber when they defeat caster and her master and see each other again gilgamesh said "Oh, how silly of you for making a man like me wait, and have that answer from ten years ago, we shall meet again". If kiritsugu didn't ordered saber to destroy the HG, gilgamesh wouldn't be a problem to deal with. Of course I totally agree on PIPAN because of his explaination of why he didn't like shirou and why should gilgamesh and saber be the couple to be with, it's a good explaination really good job dude.
I liked you arguments and I agree with you; Shirou sucks =/ I played the novel, and even tough he gets stronger in other scenarios I STILL don't think he's a good character.
Also, Kinoko Nasu (the writter of the novel) said himself that Shirou's true love is Sakura not Saber.
Also, Saber and Gilgamesh make an AWESOME pairing and I loved your explanation of it <3
Dear God.
I ship them too and think they would make an awesome dysfunctional coupe in an alternate universe but sheesh this thing lists it for ALL THE WRONG REASONS. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, YOU STUPID FEMINIST ACTIVISTS. D8
you know,
I've found out that my significant other has a warrior quality in her. As a beginner, she could shoot two bull's eye out of three shots (yes, she's an archer).
And as for her, I also felt the same thing like Gilgamesh had felt, 'some things are very beautiful for the very reason that they're unobtainable', although I won't fight her.
I hope his boyfriend (recently she went out with someone other) won't treat her like Shirou treated Saber.
So what if Gil mistreats Saber? anyway, he´s a villain, would you expect him to be cute and sweet? she never gave him a chance either, she could have talked to him instead of fighting. and besides all that i just have one thing to say: Shirou fails as main guy. It was the first time i saw a main guy so boring. Even Sakura was less boring than him. So, Gilgamesh at least gives us some action and god, he´s HOT:D
Shirou was just trying being gentleman okay?!
yah Gilgamesh looks handsome with his hair down (i have to admit), but then so what?
urgh.. Shirou loves saber soooo much that he actually just tried his best to protect her~
Finally I found someone who is a SaberXGilgamesh fan. I totally agree with what you said about Gilgamesh compared to Shirou. I hated Shirou right from the Start(who cares if he is archer now, and besides Archer lost his memory when being summoned by Rin, if he does remember a thing he wouldn't such an awesome guy now would he ^^) Still Saber rejected him because she has Shirou now, but if Shirou wasn't in the picture they make a cute couple :) Its just personal opinion though, Shirou never thinks about how other people feel, he just don't want them to be hurt or etc but never consider their feelings at all. Thats why Saber was furious when he keep telling not to fight (DISCRIMINATION! He means that girls can't fight, wthell....==)
Anyway, awesome opinion made there, you just made my day XD
^ If Archer didnt lose his memory maybe it will be more trouble for shirou and gilgamesh afterwards.Imagine this, If archer didnt lose his memory and proposed to saber in the 4th grail war, gilgamesh might kick his ass for attempting that. Besides, I love gilgamesh's tendency to resolve anything he wants using force, and maybe, just maybe he will apologize in the end for his actions. I feel sorry for Saber because she got hit with Ea by the way.
^ If Archer didnt lose his memory maybe it will be more trouble for shirou and gilgamesh afterwards.Imagine this, If archer didnt lose his memory and proposed to saber in the 4th grail war, gilgamesh might kick his ass for attempting that. Besides, I love gilgamesh's tendency to resolve anything he wants using force, and maybe, just maybe he will apologize in the end for his actions. I feel sorry for Saber because she got hit with Ea by the way.
You know I totally agree with what you said about shirou in fact he pisses me off so much, the fact that he's soooooooooooooo stupid, he doesn't LISTEN to the warnings people eg. rin and saber etc gives to him him I mean how much stupider can anyone get? Yea I love the gilxsaber pairing even if I know it will never be, because what 'gia' said had some ounce of truth but *sighs* fanfiction keeps my hopes alive lol even if theres not many good fanfics of them out there....but oh well!
Gilgamesh is bad news , just read UBW .
and Archer isn't a future Shirou . he's an ALTERNATE self of Shirou , Shirou only become the Archer we all love and know if he tried to accomplish his goal of becoming a hero and saving everybody.
Gilgamesh doesn't want to marry saber he wants to own her just like he own all weapons .
errrr... what to say... if that gilgamesh DO really love Saber then why would he force her to love him?! and do you think it is good to force Saber drink the unholy liquid from the darn holy grail which Saber does not want to? also why forcing someone you truly love to do that?! even Shirou did not force her to stay even if he wants her to! hmm.. sorry, i'm an anti-gilgamesh...
Gilgamesh haters...ok, here it goes: Gil might be a villain and be stupid most of times, but honestly shirou is worse. Besides Shirou is a womanizer: As Archer he chases after Rin, as Shirou he chases after Saber, but the author said, in fact he loves Sakura. so, does he want his personal harem? At least Gil only loved saber and really wanted her to marry him. I believe if Saber gave him a chance, he would have become a different person.
and p.s- Shirou is just envious of Gil. When he became Archer, he changed his hair to look like Gil´s and even his "a thousand swords" power is like a copy paste of Gil´s power.
I agree with you shirou isnt very good at much and is pretty much useless during the entire thing. Personally i dont relly care for shirou, i just relly like saber. anyhow if I had to chose i think i would have to chose saber and shirou, over gilgamesh. and on a different note, you realize archer is shirou right, just from the future. but just to be clear i dont really care for either of them, Shirou or gilgamesh. but i do agree that shirou is complete retard, however in the end he didnt get the girl, so i say we should just give him a break
Shirouxsaber doesn't work at all. He ruined sabers character. Saber was so much better in the other routes where shirou doesn't love her. SaberxGil is so much better then ShirouxSaber. Atleast there both heroes.
People are actually agreeing with this...? Look, Gil only wants Saber because she refuses to become his property. He finds it fascinating how she refuses everything he offers her. Which is basically everything. There's really no love involved in it. If you saw Gil's ending in Fate/Unlimited Codes, you'd know. And besides, Saber doesn't even like Gilgamesh. At all...
Please don't base all your evidence on the anime. Because that's stupid. There's tons of material you'd have to read first in order to truly understand their characters. Fate/Zero and the actual Fate/Stay Night VN, for example.
Look, Gil only wants Saber because she refuses to become his property.
You probably shouldn't use Zero to prove your point, because Zero contradicts it. In fact the pairing has actually picked up some more fans because of it. The reason Gilgamesh is attracted to her is specifically because she represents everything that humanity SHOULD be. He even tells Kirei as much after the Feast of Kings where he learned Saber's intentions: that he likes "arrogant opponents" who seek to become more than human, those who have a wish that is too great for a human to achieve. That is, in essence, what it means to be great enough to become a Heroic Spirit in Gil's eyes, since he is the first human to have done so. Humanity, to Gil, is at its best and most beautiful when it's struggling against impossible odds. That she refuses him is just an added bonus that reinforces his admiration of her strength (to resist even the King of Heroes) and purity (to refuse offers of infinite wealth).
There's really no love involved in it.
Zero contradicts this as well. It's stated that she is "the only woman he has ever truly loved". The problem is that he's buried his original nobility so thoroughly underneath layers of hedonism, tyranny, and materialism that what feelings he might have have been twisted into lust for her. Why he does this isn't clear, but what is apparent is that there is indeed some genuine affection, but it's perverted into lust due to his greed.
Sure, the pairing wouldn't happen in canon (since this is what was originally a porn game we're discussing, so the only one allowed to score any tail is the player avatar protagonist) but it's not all that unusual for such a dynamic, interesting pairing to earn some fans. (Especially those who are bored with the usual harem comedy shonentard main character crap) With a few tweaks and some overcoming of personal flaws/hangups, it might work in a different setting.
You should check out Carnival Phantasm episode 8. Gilgamesh must have a thing for being dominated...maybe that's a little overboard...let's say "bossed around" by Saber. Although you might not like the end of the episode very much, the Gilgamesh-Saber scenes are worth watching~
WOW!, finally i found ppl who understands my feelings about shirou being the worst main character ever! I swear the anime Fate/stay night would of been wayyyyyy better wifout him, my god... his idealistic logic of "saving everyone without sacrificing anyone" even archer got pissed off at himself lol ._. I totally support Saber x Gilgamesh, true dat gilgamesh can b a dick at times but hes like any other pampered prince who thinks hes the greatest but there usually is one person who teaches him about the value of life. If Shirou wasn't in the picture and Saber got together wif Gilgamesh, im 90% sure Saber would b able to turn his arrogant boasting attitude into a person who treats others wif respect or "turn him into a tsundere :P"
PS: TY Pipan for ur blog, this has made my day reading it >:D
I agree with you. Pipan-san! Gilgamesh and Saber, I ike that pair!!^^
yea...i first thought that gilgamesh was the bad guy all along... but oh..things started to change,,and after reaing your view,,t becem so clear..
Honestly speaking when gilgamesh was about to dissapear it broke my heart.coz he'z eyes were so perfectly saying that he loves saber so much (-_-) it didn't make me so sad to have the episode end,but to have it end this way...boohoo :'(
You're sickeningly shallow.
-Shirou doesn't tell Saber not to fight because he's sexist and weak. He says so because she was greivously injured and is latching onto an excuse to keep her safe. That's his concern for her well-being that causes him to act that way.
-"Because he isn't handsome" is not a legitimate reason.
-Gilgamesh does not truly love Saber as a man loves an equal. He loves her as an object to possess. He wants to control, belittle, and demean her for his own disgusting ego. It's also stated he flat-out wants to rape her.
-This coupling will never be consensual. Saber loathes him because he is so egocentric, sexist, and awful. There's a reason she loves Shirou: because he is a good, caring guy who repsects her.
Great post. I hate shirou too and love the pair Saber and Gilgamesh. How i wish the ending is different.
im a saber x gilganesg couple fan too....
i dont hate shirou or anything but...
saber suits better with gilganesh and i for one thought he was kool...
i like gilgamishXsaber but (in reality a proud boy and a proud and stubborn
girl cant get along with each other.).I remember in fate zero gilgamish said to skandar saber only belived in her ideals and fight for them so she didnt have a chance to love any body and she was alone.(if i am correct because i dont remember clearly) so he began to love her(perhaps he was like her at first)
i personally dont hate shiro i kinda like them bc he is a normal guy but he isnt good enough for saber .iskandar after gilgamish is better than shiro for her!!!!. at last i like rin X archer !
i wonder for which reason gilgamesh came back to the world? he has enough power and wealth during his life time-perhaps he was searching for love or st.
he wasnt a insane villian he didnt
kill that boy waver (velvet)
yeah saber and gilgamesh looks more cute when they were together not like saber and shirou
oh my goodness!!!!i luv ur post soo much~!i too hate shiro...he's a weakling n troublesome!not only,he's not as good looking as his 'future-self'...
gil has a better looking than emiya..besides that,he's a king too~although i dislike his attitude (for being arrogant and selfish) but he's more realistic than shirou
kiritsugu is way better than shirou
not that i hate shirou but i totally agree with this pairing, i so love Gilgamesh!though he was the villain :D but Gilgamesh and Saber really do look good with each other, they both bear the name of a king and have the same color of hair too :D ahhhh i love this couple:D
I honestly could never understand why so many people like Gilgamesh. Come on, the guy is a spoiled, heartless bastard that actually tried to RAPE Saber. I would shiver in joy whenever he got his ass kicked... which thankfully happened in every single route in the game.
Funny of someone to judge or rather to discriminate someone with ugly looks and etc.
I just don't think you understand how Shirou is Saber. Or maybe, you just don't understand what love really is.
Think before saying something you faux pas person.
I used to stan the couple too but after watching fate zero i'm not so sure...I have a suspicion that Gilgamesh being an arrogant, egotistical king is used to getting what he wants. With Saber rejecting him it incites his interest and 'love'.
GILGAMESH MIIIIINNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE
Well, I can say that Gil is a insane, arrogant bastard who have a rather high obsession for blood and Saber. But that's what I like from this pairing. Yes! Love-Hate Relationships. But since Saber x Shirou goes canon already, there are a thousand ways to reach fanon :D. I can't say I hate Saber x Shirou, because I think they don't match in one or another way, but still people have their own opinions, and favorite pairings so I will shut up my mouth. And to be honest, I did see more negative points from Shirou instead of his good points (despite his role as MC, Protagonist and goodwill), idk maybe I just dislike naive-and-pathetic-like character and Shirou does resemble all of it :P
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cool! at least there are people who stands up for Gilgamesh.
Truth is i don't want anyone pairing up with Saber it's just unnatural a powerful king saying I Love You come on.
But between the two I really think Gilgamesh is more suitable to Saber.
What a stupid blog...
Like Bender said...
I honestly could never understand why so many people like Gilgamesh. Come on, the guy is a spoiled, heartless bastard that actually tried to RAPE Saber. I would shiver in joy whenever he got his ass kicked... which thankfully happened in every single route in the game.
Shirou is indeed a terrible pair with Saber, though his ideals were reasonable. Why wouldn't anyone want to save the world? But that's a child's view. When we get older, most people understand that we can't save everyone. Humanity can not be immortal. What would be worth living for if there weren't challenges ahead of us, whether they kill us or not. The world is both beautiful and ugly. The reason I do not like him very much is because he had no development. He was a child to begin with and a child to end with. An idea to be with his lover forever? Childish.
I do enjoy Gilgamesh and Saber. It was rather dynamic and exhilarating. I loved it because he didn't hold back. He fought her as if she may beat him. That is the best way to fight. He did see her as an item, but also as a conquest. Like a king would. He just didn't realize that his conquest was for her love. But in a way he probably still wanted to destroy her as he did his country. Let's just say he really didn't :)
I think GilgameshxSaber is waaayy better than SaberxShirou~~ especially when gil whispered to saber that he don't angry that he lose on her. Kyaaaaa~~~~ so romantic
Couldnt agree more... huh im sad nowww
It's September 2017 and I'm still salty why Shirou is the main character. Like wtf -_- he's lame and weak but arrogant af. I don't care he will be Archer. Because in the end he's a Gilgamesh copycat.
Gilgamesh potrayed as villain because the writer wrote so. And I really agree with every words PipanP wrote.
As a King Saber would be perfect to have an equal King which is Gilgamesh.
The important thing is Gilgamesh still and always want/love Saber whatever situation, even when Saber kill himself he still forgave her. I think Saber cant see this Gilgamesh pure feelings to her because she blinded by Shirou and more focused on the bad side of Gilgamesh.
If you think he's a "Gilgamesh copycat" you haven't really understood his powers at all.
And Gilgamesh sees no one as his equal besides his friend Enkidu, the motion that he'd ser Saber in the same level is dumb. He sees her as an object to be taken and raped.
It's ironic and pure hipocrisy to complain about Shirou "being sexist" because he wanted to protect Saber when Gilgamesh was actively objectifying her and refusing to see the fact that she never cared for him.
Hypocrites.
Gilgamesh wanted to rape her and force her to drink the grail. Are you advocating that Saber should've just laid down and accepted it this kind of thing from someone she didn't like?
She isn't shallow like you guys, she wouldn't Go "kyaaa he's hot" like a virgin fangirl, she Fell in love with Shirou and not Gilgamesh because Shirou is the same type of person she is and could understand her on a personal level.
Gilgamesh's "love" isn't really love. Never was and never will be.
Iam not hate shirou but not like him too. I think many people say Gilgamesh is dump, sexish, rapist etc, but hell! He lived 5000 years ago! Its too different with our live now, maybe in our era this is sexist, dump etc but in him era, its true to make a king as rule. In fact, fans Gilgamesh is a lot, and very very knowing him very well... know what his pain, strength, pride, weakness, sadness and everything about him, and that is what make me and every fans love him more. You must khow! Nothing perfect dude.
And about Saber, I love her, and actually, Iam so understand that she have same ideology with shirou, but, saber is women who holding her ideology until end, and shirou will end like Emiya archer who hate Hero of Justice. means, they are different. Saber just love Shirou when he was young, not future form.
Every fans know that Gil is not someone who pull his word, so he will always want saber to be his.
Love is complicated, sometimes, maybe when we see how Gilgamesh propose Saber it like Gil just playing around, but we never know whats in his heart because Gil not an easy to understand, he is a mysterous character.
I Love Gil and Saber... They precious... OMG.. :".. The reason I still watching and following fate because there's Gil and Arthuria... Beautiful couple in my mind... It so sad for me because in Fate/ Strange Fake Arthuria isn't there..
Why everyone say that Gil is a rapist? Isn't that just his past!? Can someone tell me when Gil raped a girl in the Fate route (because I never find it)? In fact, the only man who having sex with every girl in the Fate Route is the Main Caracter a.k.a "innocent" Shirou (and it make all heroine like a bitch). It's true if you say that is VN's eroge. But why Gilgamesh who didn't "touch" a girl in the all route was given the nickname of a rapist!? this makes me so confused. What do you mean by Gilgamesh's words while in Fate/Unlimited Code (So.. the end of Gil's route, is there a scene he rape Saber? or that is just your imagination?)? If you follow all Fate route, you'll know that's just Gil's way to talking. He just likes to mock others, just that.
If you follow Fate/ Ekstra CCC then you will know that Gil is not a rapist or sexist. At CCC it was revealed that Gil loves humanity.
And lastly, if you are smarter, Arthuria is the "first woman" who refuse Gil (Fate/UC). You understand what I mean, right?
I know that GilxArhuria will not getting together. But, I don't really care, because I love them, and that's enough.
If you don't like this ship, just go and don't be masochist.
(I'am sorry for my bad english XO)
OMG, I'm totally agree with you!
They look so good together >.<
Just ship it of you love Gil and Arthuria, don't mind about people trash talk about them, they just hate them and they never change their mind, never will be
Gil want Arthuria because her idels, I think is not a trash motion. Just because you hate this ship, you cannot blame someone who love them.
Are you crazy, Gil only wants to rape and break Saber because she turns him down, if she give up he loses all interest in her, that was officially confirmed and that's canon!!! He doesn't love her, this is not love nor unrequited love this is not love at all! You are just disgusting and advocate rape!
Especially women, if you want to be raped and then dumped by Gil it's your own business but leave Saber alone she loves Shirou, she is loyal to him to the end and she is happy with him. Their love story is one of the most romantic stories I have ever seen while she and Gil have only your wet rape dreams. She has every right to be with the man she loves. She never liked Gil, they have nothing in common, except both are kings so what, he wants to dominate and to conquer, he hates people, she wants to sacrifice herself for her people and her country, there is NOTHING even slightly romantic between them.
Anyway, it will never happen, deal with it, Saber will be with Shirou on Avalon, she is with him in Sunny day alternative UBW ending, she is with him in Carnival Phantasm and Emiya-san cooking anime and you can only dream about your own Gil but the thing is your own imagined Gil is not canon Gil. Thank you and good bye.
Shpping Gil and Saber is like shipping rapist and his victim, you should be ashamed of yourself. Saber hates him because he's arrogant jerk and piece of crap, she is not you, she is against you. Just accept this simple fact. And I agree with her, we both ship Saber and Shirou. Glad they flushed that giltrash town the toilet in all three routes and she did it with her own hands.
You're absolutely disgusting, forcing Saber to love someone she dislikes, what if someone orded you to leave your loved ones and to love someone else, what would you think. Well if you're going to leave your loved ones and follow any cute face then you are just THOTS but Saber is not. One thing is if Saber and Gilgamesh liked each other but didn't have romance or some obstacles were between them and whole another thing when she hates him and he wants to break her because she hates him. That kind of ship is abusive rape type and shouldn't exist.
I've only started this series and I'm pretty addicted to it. I love the story and I'm also very interested in this argument. Well in my point of view, I kind of love their team up simply because its ironically dark and dramatic compared to ShirouXSaber, which I find a bit cliche. Gil's love in his own terms I'd say is "twisted". He loved seeing Saber in her destruction, I guess it really excites his bored nature. He loves her because she tries to attain the unattainable to the point of being ready to die just to achieve it. This stubborness is what also attracts Gil to her. He loves as she tries her hardest to achieve it and he loves how her ideals destroys her own self. He loves her brilliance, her unyielding strength in her beliefs and he loves her since he knows that despite it being a cursed and tragic path for her, she still strives for it. It is like an ultimate form of enjoyment for him, seeing her strive, struggle then get crushed, like a cycle repeating itself. He loved all of saber and her ironically strong and tragic self to the point obsession. Her rejection for him incites him even more, making him want to have her. The harder she tries to reject him, the harder he wants her more. It came to the point where he becomes very possesive of her, having claimed the right that she's only his and no one elses. He wants to claim sabers brilliance and wants to darken it himself. He wants to defile her purity (but not in a sexual way), and to be the one to taste her misery himself. But ofcourse, I love how Saber always refuses him, standing bright despite whatever he does. Its like seeing the strength of a woman I guess. Making her in the eyes of Gilgamesh as the unattainable and yet sweetest treasure of all. A love that he can never conquer will always stay the brightest in his eyes.
What absolute garbage. Gilgamesh doesn’t love Saber at all, he only wants her because she denies him. Even the creator of Fate says Gilgamesh would toss Saber away once he had finished with her. What’s more, Gilgamesh openly says he is going to rape and conquer Saber , this paring is disgusting
He was going to rape her , he says this himself .
Ruined sabers character? What a joke. He didn’t change her at all, she just became more human . It’s for that reason why Shirou saber is so popular. And you’re going to ignore Gilgamesh’s desire to rape and conquer saber( he says this himself ) ? Yeah you have no idea what’s going on do you
Zero doesn’t contradict anything. Gilgamesh never once says he loves Saber, not once. He wants her because she refuses him and because of her purity and power. The creator of the show said Gilgamesh would toss her aside when he got bored of her . Don’t talk rubbish
I have never read anything so stupid in my entire life. How is Shirou worse? Gilgamesh openly admits to wanting to rape Saber ( while she is dying on the ground , bleeding out) he doesn’t even love her, the creator of the show said Gilgamesh would throw saber away as soon as he was done with her. As Archer he never chases Rin? What the fuck ? He is a loyal friend to Rin and people ship them but he’s never interested. And he only loves Sakura in the HF route. Gilgamesh wants Saber to marry him because she refuses him, he doesn’t care at all what happens , he doesn’t love her, any idiot could see that. And Shirou being jealous of Gilgamesh? Really? UBW is his ability he gained through life. Honestly I can’t tell if you’re rolling or not but this is ridiculous, you are either brain damaged or just an idiot who hates Shirou.
How could you say this pairing works. You would have to rewrite Gilgamesh’s entire character. First up, in Zero he never says he loves her, his line is “ keep trying King if Knights, ......you might earn more of my love” and he walks away laughing evilly. He’s referring to loving Sabers pain and despair. This is reinforced later on by the line “ you shall experience great pain before you become mine” . Your point saying why he wants her is correct, but that’s it. Nasu himself said Gilgamesh would just throw her away once he was bored of her and that should she show any interest , or change in anyway, he would drop her. That isn’t love. You really shouldn’t play yourself like this by using Zero, which hints at the horrors he has planned for her in the fate route. And while the pairing may have gained followers from Zero, that doesn’t make it any less wrong, it’s a rape pairing simple as that. Gilgamesh’s exact line “ I suppose I’ll just take you now, you have been dirtied, but I suppose I’ll just take you now, it would have ended up like this either way” implying that he would most likely beat her before violating her, as fitting his real life mythology. There’s no defense against this pairing , plain and simple.
Oh it’s just in the past, alls forgiven. What a stupid mentality. And Gilgamesh says he going to rape Saber , and he would have done it if Shirou hadn’t gotten up and defended her. This is a disgusting pairing and you should really re look at things if you think they would be good
"The only woman he has ever truly loved" line from Fate Zero's light novels is absolute bs. Considering a lot of things from Urobuchi's novels gets retcon'd by Nasu later. Like Enkidu's death scene being different in tone than what you see in CCC and Babylonia. Along with what other anon comments are saying that Nasu has basically said Gil doesn't love her and that he'd toss her to the side when she gets bored. That is not love at all.
Nasu has also said in CCC materials that Gil refuses to love due to the inevitability of things coming to an end. So, a lot of Urobuchi's stuff about Gil is obsolete. Even still, it takes more than one brain cell to see that back in 2008 how absolutely loveless Gil's approach to Saber was even in the Deen anime. If someone doesn't want anything to do with the other, then the other should back off. That's what consent means and Saber didn't want anything to do with him, yet he kept going to the point of mangling her with Ea and threatening rape via grail mud.
Gil in the Fate route was forced to bend the knee to Saber and Shirou's love. He was shoe-horned into an eroge antagonist because Nasu couldn't figure out any way to put him in until UBW/HF. They needed an antagonist to come between Shirou and Saber. Combine that with them still wanting Gilgamesh vs. Arthur from Prototype somehow. Even in FZ, when Gil "proposes" to Saber, he already has weapons at the ready. He knew she was going to turn him down and he goes the extra mile to bully/threaten her. He doesn't care about her at all.
Go read/listen the CCC AR tapestry if you want Gil actually caring and being fully lusty in a consensual manner. And if you ship Gil and Saber together, just don't romanticize it and try to defend it as "lol so cute" like 80% of these comments are doing.
Arrogant and selfish is gilgamesh
You're joking right? You hate shirou for being arrogant and selfish? Gilgamesh is the definition of arrogant and selfish. Have you even read the epic of Gilgamesh?
It's disappointing that it's as though you think saber is better off someone just because he's hot and give he's action. nevermind that he's even worse than the guy you dislike a lot. Gigamesh isn't someone you even give a chance.
Lol this is not love, stop being a pussy man it’s obvious it’s more admiration
Lol this is not love, stop being a pussy man it’s obvious it’s more admiration
So... the way Gilgamesh appreciates Saber is the same way he appreciated his friend Enkidu. I never thought there was some genuine admiration in his "Saber obsession" until I've seen Fate/Zero...
Gilgamesh wants to see exceptional things, especially people who are trying to do impossible things and have the abilities to come very close to obtaining these dreams, those who defy gods/destiny, those who never give up no matter what. Enkidu, Saber, Hakuno happened to have one of the traits that Gil admires in humans.
To Gilgamesh who believes that seeking pleasure is the proof of one's humanity, seeing Saber actively avoid seeking her own happiness is quite unsettling and fascinating to him. The difference is that, unlike in his interaction with Kirei, he doesn't let Saber make her own decision.
Saber is someone who, in Iskandar's words, "discarded youthful romance and dreams, discarded love, and sunk into the eternal curse of ideals". Very very few men, if any, would be interested in a woman who didn't even have love/marriage on her list of priorities. Only Gilgamesh appreciates a woman like that. I would go for women like that, too, as oppose to those who have little dreams/ambitions and only speak the language of "romance".
Note that I'm not trying to romanticize the whole thing. Gilgamesh never truly loves Saber and is quite disrespectful toward her. The irony is that should Saber ever lose sight of her ideal, he will drop her instantly.
In all of that, it's just that this admiration he has for her and this part alone seems genuine.
This is not a reflexion, it’s just a group of dreamful guys who just want their dream couple to be together and trashy talk about the true couple in fate stay night which is Saber x Shirou . Lol so funny, the pussy author of this post delete all comments who restore the true . So funny .
And lol they don’t know Shirou true power by talking trash of him being weak lol .
Finally a rational guy who didn’t get delete by the author .
Man don’t confuse love and admiration, it’s different stuff
Yep in your dream
Even the author is not for your couple, he announced it . Continue dream guys .
Probably sure, you don’t know the other routes because Saver character is great, it’s obvious you only based your evidence in the anime when you need to read the book .
In your opinion
I can’t understand either, let them go they are peoples who see a couple when there is no one. Let’s them keep their dream
Author please don't take this down. The comment is just a bunch of salty male weebs who don't like their waifus to be with anyone beside their self-inserts. All of the things said here are wildly self invented than any proofs from the VN that they can show. They are way interesting to develop than the forced romanceTM. Most Shirou's fans are young boys and girls and they don't have much nuance or reality check to comprehend Gilgamesh as whole lmao.
Everything here is a fundamental misunderstanding of Saber and Gilgamesh as characters while not so subtly trying to throw shade at Shirou out of jealousy because he is her official romantic partner.
Gilgamesh as he is in FSN is a selfish, sexist narcissist. For whatever accusations towards Shirou that is made about his sexism, it applies for Gilgamesh doubly so. And Shirou's supposed sexism is a front for his lack of self worth as he doesn't believe his own life is something others should risk their lives to protect; it's the same reason he didn't want Archer to help him in UBW route when he was kidnapped by Caster. Gilgamesh, however, is unironically the sexist figure that poeple like to depict Shirou as.
To him, Saber is nothing but an object to grab and she is tossed aside as soon as Gilgamesh has her. He only wants in her for the fact that he can't have her, once he does she's nothing but another object he considers his. Unlimited Codes shows him having his way with her, using the grail to incarnate her into Salter and then tossing her aside once he's had his fun.
You can like Gil/Saber for whatever reason you do but there is absolutely nothing in any official media which makes him a good romantic partner for Artoria.
Funny you should mention self inserting when a lot of Gil/Saber is people wanting to self insert as Saber to have a bad-boy boyfriend that doesn't take no for an answer and likes to be rough to appeal to a lot of people's rape fantasies, OR they want to self insert as Gilgamesh and do whatever they want if they were able to have power over others and carry out those rape fantasies.
And I use the word "rape" because that's exactly what Gil/Saber is. She doesn't love him whatsoever and rejects every advance while Gilgamesh does not care for boundaries and sees her as nothing more than an object for him to acquire that will inevitably be tossed aside once he does have her as shown in Unlimited Codes.
But sure, Shirou is the self insert...
If you seriously think Shirou/Saber is a forced romance and say Gil/Saber isn't then you have no understanding of the story and characters.
Maybe the "Grand Order's (Zettai Majuu Sensen Babylonia)" Gilgamesh would have had a chance with Arturia... Did he change after living so many years observing human kind from his self-imposed narcissistic isolation?... He experiences an evolution in his personality, (or better said involution) after so many ages he have lived. I think he's constantly looking for thrills, I guess because of his fear of getting bored. This fear seems logical to me as someone who has lived so long. I imagine the worth of what's Good or Evil blurs too. At some point he complains that in today's era life has become too easy, so there are more mediocre people and life itself is not valued in its proper measure. Maybe he feels that even though he has it all and has enjoyed all the existing pleasures, he still needs to experience a feeling. He has not been able to feel authentic love. Or it's been too long since he last felt it. Let's remember he was born as a demigod.
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